Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Us-mexico border at Tijuana.jpg

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  •  Info created, uploaded and nominated by --Tomascastelazo 16:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Stark reality... not a critique against a country, but against the conditions that force migration, where we all share responsibility --Tomascastelazo 16:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose I don't like the composition, I think showing a longer portion of the fence would be better. Also I think black and white should be reserved for occasions where it really enhances the image, and I don't see that here. Dori - Talk 17:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose I feel that this is a political statement rather than FP. I disagree with your description of the image and I also disagree that we all share responsibility. If you want to debate this with a real right-winger, I am more than happy to discuss it with you. I am not however saying that this image should not be an FP because I disagree with its political message, but rather that it is not the type of image that I would list as one with a great WOW factor and as FP material. Freedom to share 18:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • What I am saying is that this is not something that I would like to see as a featured pictured. Sure, it's powerful, thought-provoking and maybe will open my mind to the issue of illegal immigration one day. I love the use of monochrome, but that I do not believe is what FPs are about. This image would be great at the first page of an opinionated newspaper article about the subject, but for an FP I expect something else... a beautiful landscape or an important person would be FP-worthy material, but I somehow feel that street children or images such as those, no matter how striking, simply do not belong here. Commons is not their home. They are meant to be reprinted and shown to the world together with their accompanying messages to show everybody what you feel and maybe convince them to your views. I am not disputing that this image is great: a piece of poetry, even if I do not agree with it, can be great. I am simply saying: this is not an FP. It is an entirely different level of photography. It is expressionistic photography, heavily polarized and opinionated. It fits into Commons like a Capulet on a party full of Montagues: it simply doesn't. Sorry, I do not want to sound rude, dishonourable or disrespectful, but please put those images somewhere else, where they will be recognised, for they do not belong here. Freedom to share 21:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh dear.... First of all, thank you for taking responsibility for your opinions... I truly respect that. Now, whatever I may say is rethorical, nothing personal, and take no offense... But, what is a FP? A beautiful landscape? Who are you (or me)to dictate what should be a FP? Limiting the scope of photography in this forum, to me, amounts to censorship, and censorship, to me, is worse than leprosy. It eats away the spirit of the human being, his right to be heard and speak out. Not everyone must like every picture, it is everyone's right to like or dislike. It is democratic to support or oppose. This is an encyclopaedic effort, in every dimension, including FP. Anything less would make this effort a waste. As far as FPs, I am a proponent to evaluate according to well informed criteria, be it photographic, cultural, scientific. Unfortunately, IN MY OPINION, that utopian scenario is a long way off, but in a democratic way, one must accept opposing points of view, and at the same time, one has a right to oposse the opposing points of view, even if they don't like it. By critisizing, one must open up to critisism also... Regards...--Tomascastelazo 22:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    For once I agree with you on this one Tomas. FP should be about value and good photography and not (only) about beautiful photos. I am glad that we have very valuable non-beautiful photos like this on FP. I wish we had more. -- Slaunger 22:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're welcome. :-) Even if this nomination is not going to be a success (including my oppose contribution), your photo would have achieved its desired effect: it made me think about this issue and therefore it fulfilled its purpose. Freedom to share 15:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
result: 2 support, 7 oppose, 0 neutral => not featured. Simonizer 12:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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