Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Sunset mirage 1232n.jpg

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Mock mirage sunset Mock mirage sunset

  • I think he has a valid point though. I'm not sure I've ever seen a sunset/mirage photo of yours that is particularly sharp, and I don't just mean the sun itself, but anything in the frame. Its as if the camera just hasn't got a good focus lock on anything, or the shutter speed is too slow and it is blurred (although I doubt this is the case given it is a photo of the sun, albeit low in the sky. Its hard to tell exactly what causes the softness, but it is a bit of a problem for aesthetics. Diliff 13:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, the question is how many sunset mirage images you have seen all together. Remember, when you opposed my very firs nomination at Wikipedia, I asked you to find a better one anywhere at the NET. You refuesed, but Pengo did. He found a "better" one (btw also taken by me). It was not any better, it was worse because the mirage was not nearly so complex. When one talks about the quality of sunset mirage image, the most important things is not overexposed the Sun. If by doing that one still could show the surroundings, the image becomes rare and great. May I please ask you what do you think about that APOD image taken by a famous Pekka Parviainen? It is one of the best (probably the best) image of complex mirage and beautiful green flash. Thanks.--Mbz1 14:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would you mind adhering to a standard for indents? You always make it difficult to follow the flow when you choose an arbitrary indent to reply... Anyway, I don't know how many I've seen of yours, probably about 5 or 6 at a guess? From memory, I didn't refuse to, I just said that it wasn't the point, because it doesn't matter if there is a better one or not, the nominated one still has to adhere to minimum standards of image quality. I don't really understand why a photo of a mirage has to mean poor sharpness in the foreground... It isn't as though the foreground is far enough away to be affected by the amospheric conditions that create the mirage in the first place... As for that image, the phenomenon is interesting but the image itself isn't particularly good quality. In an ideal world, if you wanted to show the mirage better, you would have a lens/telescope long enough to capture it full-frame or near enough. Diliff 21:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Diliff, I wound not mind to do anything for you (you know that), but I would mind taking the images of the sun with the scope and no filter. I would go blind, if I do. I'm sure you do not want me to go blind, do you? On the othe hand, if I'm to use a filter I would not be able to capture a green flash, if one appears. The thing is I'm mostly taking images of sunset mirages in order to capture a green flash. It is so rare and so beautiful that I would not like to miss any I could see. Besides I believe it is matter of taste about full-frame image. I really like, when I am able to capture the miraged sun in perspective, which also is rare. Diliff, I am absolutely sure that you and many other here would have done a better job (much better job) with the foreground of the mirage images. (I mean it. I do not consider myself to be a good photographer at all. I have 16 FP at Commons, but I'm not going to add myself to Commons:Meet our photographers. I really do not feel I belong there.) Yet the mirages are so interesting and so mysterious that IMO nothing really bad would happened, if until somebody else captures a better image of a mirage, FP collection would have one of mine. I'll be the first one to delist my image, when a better one become availabale, but IMO, when we're talking about mirages, a better image means not a sharp foreground and not a full frame, but rather more complex and more interesting mirage because the subject of the image is mirage. In an ideal world I wish FP reviewers would forget about litlle quality problems and simply wonder at an amazing and rare phenomena, but I guess it is too much to wish for. Thank you for taking your time to talk about the image.--Mbz1 01:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Guidelines for nominators state: "Focus - every important object in the picture should normally be sharp". The only important object in my picture is the sun and the sun is as sharp as posible with the mirage.Everything else in my picture is not important, it is just to create the atmosphere, but I do not think anybody cares.--Mbz1 13:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
result: 5 support, 5 oppose, 0 neutral => not featured. Richard Bartz 10:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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result: 2 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral => not featured. Richard Bartz 10:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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