Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Ragondin (Myocastor coypus) (animal) (3).jpg

File:Ragondin (Myocastor coypus) (animal) (3).jpg, featured

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Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Animals/Mammals
Info created by and uploaded by Gzen92 - nominated by Boothsift -- Booth sift 02:49, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Booth sift 02:49, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Mild Support - Cute photo of this invasive species, though the one preexisting nutria FP is probably a more interesting composition, overall. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I wish I could be floating in the water, looking that peaceful right about now. — ⚞🐈ℛogueScholar🗨₨Talk⚟ ^{My recent}
_mischief 09:46, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Cayambe (talk) 09:58, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think this is different enough from the other FP Ikan links to. Cmao20 (talk) 12:09, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Question This animal appears to be eating food provided by humans that is not its normal diet. Is that what I'm seeing? Charles (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Charlesjsharp: That looks a lot like en:Cantaloupe in the other picture and the category contains videos of it being fed with bread. --El Grafo (talk) 07:31, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that was it. But it was not me, I only give bread to attract them. Gzen92 ^[discuter] 07:58, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~Thanks for the explanation. Feeding wild animals inappropriate food for photography is not something we should encourage. Charles (talk) 09:43, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Question - For an FPC nomination of a great portrait you took of a squirrel in your yard, I thought you mentioned you fed him so that you could get a better portrait. Please correct me if I'm wrong. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:28, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are not wrong. --Cart (talk) 08:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed I did. With food appropriate for the species. Charles (talk) 09:39, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see a number of sources listing melons as something nutria eat, to the point of being considered a pest to melon farmers. But if we're just going to say that it wouldn't eat melons if humans weren't nearby, that's starting down a path into very gray area. Many species now only exist in relation to humans. Others have their diet modified by what humans make available. For example, squirrels probably wouldn't encounter little piles of seeds, probably of various types that may or may not grow where it lives (I am of course making an assumption that it was some store-bought medley of bird seed, which may not be the case, or may be carefully chosen to replicate exactly what squirrels eat in that particular habitat). — Rhododendrites ^talk | 03:33, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So it sounds like cantaloupe isn't a harmful food for nutrias. Whether it's a good idea to feed an invasive species is another question, but that the food is not appropriate for the species, I'd have to see documentation for. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 14:25, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support~~ --Poc o² 18:46, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Changing my vote. I agree with Frank about feeding wild animals to get a nice photo Poc o² 20:21, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support.--Vulp here 04:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral pending revision: There are suspiciously round light gray spots in the water that seem to be dust spots rather than drift. -- Axel ^(talk) 06:24, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Pofka (talk) 11:36, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Tournasol7 (talk) 20:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Llez (talk) 05:19, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Aristeas (talk) 15:11, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Daniel Case (talk) 15:42, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Rhododendrites ^talk | 20:58, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per Charles. --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 02:24, 18 October 2019 (UTC) [reply]
Comment Both Charles and Frank have ignored the fact that animals living near urban areas tend to get influenced by people. Is it rare to find a gull or crow feeding on chips on the sidewalk? According to [1], nutria are also known to feed on vegetation near the water. There is no "set diet". Even the University of Oregon states that nutria have been known to invade gardens and yes they do eat the melons: [2]. That is why they are considered invasive in many places, they are just too able to adapt. And as for eating the water, they naturally bring food to the water to eat. Plus, other animals like raccoons do this also, so it's not only the nutria eating melons. A groundhog once ate a watermelon in my garden. Is a watermelon not part of their normal diet? Maybe. But did it eat it voluntarily(I didn't feed it)? Yes. Enough with the "appropriate food". Nutria are opportunistic animals and will eat anything they can find. As long as it doesn't kill it, then it's appropriate. Plus, do you think zoos would even feed them the appropriate food? I think not --Booth sift 05:32, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I stick with my opinions, but have removed my oppose vote. It is a grey area for introduced species. 09:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC) Charles (talk) 21:49, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Gray squirrels are a notoriously invasive species in the UK, right? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:53, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Quote: "I only give bread to attract them" – I am against feeding wildlife in order to take a photo, see this article. --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 15:40, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Frank Schulenburg: But the food that the Nutria is eating is clearly not bread. However, I also agree with your article. There is no value of baiting animals as the shot would not be as authentic and it may introduce negative habits. --Booth sift 07:39, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Famberhorst (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Karelj (talk) 20:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Question - Frank, I agree that you really shouldn't be feeding wild animals in order to photograph them, but is it unethical to take a photo of an animal that someone else fed without your say-so, and should we oppose the photo of a particular photographer because he said he sometimes feeds animals of a given species but did not do so in this instance? Also, do you think it was wrong for us to feature this photo, in which the photographer admitted specifically to feeding a wild animal in order to get a "mouth-open shot"? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:14, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm generally opposed to feeding wild animals in order to get a shot. --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 02:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Right, which I respect, but I don't think that really answered my questions, except for the last one, by implication. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be best if I withdrew this nomination despite the support? --Booth sift 03:06, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That would disrespect a clear consensus in this thread. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:23, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to withdraw your hosting of this nomination, I'll gladly take it over. I think it's totally absurd to deny a photograph a feature because the photographer admitted to feeding this species of animal on other occasions and not this occasion. Let's be straight about the implications of that. Does it mean Gzen92's pictures, or perhaps animal pictures only, can never be featured? If so, since Charles also admitted feeding a wild squirrel in order to get a better picture, should that picture be stripped of its FP status, and should all his other nominations be automatically failed? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:41, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ikan Kekek: I don't want another incident to happen. I will respect the majority here. --Booth sift 17:13, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But if you don't support the photo anymore because the photographer admits to feeding nutrias bread at other times, go ahead and oppose and I'll take over the nomination. Just don't withdraw before I have a chance to do that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:11, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ikan Kekek: Desperate? I clearly said I changed my mind. I do not plan on opposing nor withdrawing, thank you. --Booth sift 18:54, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why would I be desperate? This has gotten weird, and I'm outta here. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:32, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ikan Kekek: Were you interpreting my sentence the wrong way ... Did you not ask me to oppose this image and hand it over to you? Wait, didn't this already happen before. How did that go? Well, this conversation has turned the wrong direction. --Booth sift 07:32, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Frank. --Ivar (talk) 05:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 05:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed results:

Result: 16 support, 3 oppose, 1 neutral → featured. /--A.Savin 10:36, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This image will be added to the FP gallery: Animals/Mammals

Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Ragondin (Myocastor coypus) (animal) (3).jpg

File:Ragondin (Myocastor coypus) (animal) (3).jpg, featured

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