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Robert Gardos

 I withdraw my nomination I could not shoot at lower than 1/1000s and the hall was quite dark, so the ISO went up to 5000 and that produces a lot more noise than taking a picture at the same ISO at longer exposure times. It's envitable. --Granada (talk) 13:29, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment Dear Granada, IMHO you are withdrawing your nominations too soon. We all know that sports photography often requires extreme ISO speeds, and a noisy out-of-focus background is … well, just an out-of-focus background and hence unimportant; it may be either smoothed or ignored. The facial expression and gesture of the guy is really great. Therefore – with all respect – Basile’s critique seems a bit harsh to me. I see only a single really difficult point in this photo, namely the sharpness/focus; but even this may be OK, given the resolution, and it would be interesting to discuss that here. Therefore I would like to encourage you not to withdraw your nominations so quickly :–). --Aristeas (talk) 08:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment Dear Aristeas, this was done out of experience. Usually one negative vote from one of the established commoners leads to a refusal of the FPC. --Granada (talk) 08:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment I understand this very well, and I am very sorry for this. From time to time people declare the fall of the Roman Empire just because we promote (in their opinion) too many “unworthy” FPs. I am much more concerned about this problem – that people do not nominate their photos at all because they expect unfair and impolite critiques (I know of several people who think so) and that people withdraw their nominations quickly because they have the impression that a single harsh critique can destroy all chances of a photo. I do not say that this is the case (naturally there will be different views on this), but just the fact that people have the impression that our discussions are so unfair is IMHO a very bad sign and should make us all think over our style of discussion. --Aristeas (talk) 16:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment Reopened. Let's see what happens ... btw: I've tried Topaz Denoise on this, the face is in fact sharp, it's just noisy. Should I spend money to denoise the photo? --Granada (talk) 16:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment The other image you withdrew actually had support votes and no oppose votes. I don't like it, but I didn't oppose it. I am often accused of being impolite. It is really hard to find a nice way to reject an image that falls short of what I consider FP. I haven't voted on this image, but I dislike the facial expression and I don't think the face is sharp enough. I don't like the over-exposed table nor the busy background, which is usually a problem for sports images. I don't take this sort of photo but I do look at many in my daily newspaper, so have some sort of benchmark. It takes a long time to write all this detail down. How do I make these detailed critiques polite? On a current FPC, for imstance, I wrote the wishy-washy "The flower petals from another flower on the left are a bit distracting and the bee's head is not so sharp". Some voters start their critique "sorry" which is crazy. Except for newbies' FPCs here, I think regulars can put up with fair and direct criticism. Charlesjsharp (talk) 16:50, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Weak support Robert Gardos’ facial expression and gesture are great; they make this photo much more interesting, funny, and even educative for me than 99% of the sports photos I see in the newspapers etc. The background is OK. As said above, I see only one problem, namely the sharpness/focus – I wish the face was completely sharp; but considering the resolution and that no artificical sharpening etc. was applied, it’s still OK for me. --Aristeas (talk) 07:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Looking again at this image, there's another problem in my subjective view: the white ball merges with the white text of the t-shirt, thus it's not very distinguishable -- Basile Morin (talk) 08:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Weak support per Aristeas. Most of its problems are indeed almost unavoidable for indoor sports shots, and I think they were handled exceptionally well here. The shirt interfering with the ball is a bit unfortunate, though.--El Grafo (talk) 09:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Neutral Very interesting scene and the facial expression represents the reaction times we table tennis players seem to have. Nevertheless there are a lot of flaws in the picture (as already mentioned).--Alexander-93 (talk) 14:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose A great expression on his face, yes, but you have to look too closely at the image than I think you should for an FP in order to understand why, that that little round white object is not something on his jersey but the ball. Props for the effort but this wasn't that shot. Daniel Case (talk) 19:01, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose Yes, it is a funny and interesting shot, but the face is way too soft for me. The whole image looks a bit overexposed – colours a bit washed-out and then saturated in processing. That might only be me. Took me some while as well to spot the ball as what it is instead of part of the jersey decoration. While this image is certainly, as I said, funny and interesting, I don’t think it’s one of our very very best ones in every respect. --Kreuzschnabel 17:24, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Nothing was done to the colours in post and Lightroom does not show any overexposure. --Granada (talk) 20:03, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose Nice facial expression, but the bottom is disturbing. -- Pofka (talk) 08:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 3 support, 4 oppose, 1 neutral → not featured. /George Chernilevsky talk 14:07, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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