Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:071R01.jpg

File:071R01.jpg, featured

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•  Info created by Mister rf - uploaded by Mister rf - nominated by Mister rf -- Mister rf (talk) 09:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support -- Mister rf (talk) 09:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support great shot: perfect for the cover of some kind of text book on electronics. --El Grafo (talk) 07:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose poor focus stack, halos, and tilt. Charlesjsharp (talk) 08:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support -- Karelj (talk) 11:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support It is a great shot per El Grafo. Sure there are some focus stack glitches if you pixel peep, but they aren't distracting the whole image. I have absolutely no idea Charlesjsharp thinks "tilt" is a problem. That's a great compositional choice that adds dynamic to the image, and certainly not a mistake. -- Colin (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

• I didn't say it was a mistake, how could it be? I gave it as a reason to oppose. I happen to think is not a great compositional choice. I have absolutely no idea why Colin does not respect another's opinion. Charlesjsharp (talk) 17:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

• Am I supposed to "respect" your opinion by agreeing with it? You are welcome to your opinion, but if you post it on the internet, don't be surprised if others explicitly disagree with it. I think you are wrong on several levels. Recent discussions have demonstrated a consensus that an overly conservative view of what makes a good composition or good FP are actively harming the project. Not everything about an image that is "not how I'd have done it" deserves an oppose. Specifically, a requirement that photos at FP must be absolutely vertical and perpendicular actively discourages people from taking and nominating great images, and frankly makes us look eccentric. -- Colin (talk) 17:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Support per others. Could you add some information about the size of this integrated circuit to the file description? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:14, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support Daniel Case (talk) 03:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Llez (talk) 04:33, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Comment This is an image of the internals of a Motorola product. Does it need clearance from Motorola for uploading in Commons? --Tagooty (talk) 14:02, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Tagooty: Copyright-wise it should be fine per COM:UA. --El Grafo (talk) 09:24, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

• @El Grafo: @Mister rf: My reading is that COM:UA applies to a product as sold, not to the internal design. An image of a packaged IC is ok, e.g. File:AVR_group.jpg. The internal circuit layout visible in the nominated image is certainly copyrighted by Motorola. Where and how this internal view was photographed is relevant. If this image is taken from a public exhibit by Motorola, COM:FOP rules need to be applied.
  Analogy: images of a Coca-cola bottle and the Coke liquid are ok. An image of the recipe (internal design) is not ok.
  The Summary Description of the image could include details of how and where the photograph was taken. --Tagooty (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Tagooty: IANAL. But that's something that seems to be handled through patent law rather than copyright. But if you have serious doubts, maybe better take it to COM:VP/C. --El Grafo (talk) 17:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

• I'm not a lawyer, either, but a secret recipe is not at all similar to a photo of an integrated circuit. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
• @El Grafo: @Ikan Kekek: A couple of clarifications: (1) A patent protects a conceptual design, say, for an IF Amplifier/Demodulator. The IC is one of many possible realisations of that conceptual design. The IC manufacturer normally protects the detailed circuit diagram, the IC layout, and the documentation using copyright. Hence, an image of the layout is a copyright issue. (2) The coke recipe and the layout of the IC are both internal designs. One is protected by trade secret, the other by copyright. Publication of an image of either design may be an infringement. Note that an IC is sold with the layout hidden inside packaging, not exposed as in the image.
  IANAL also! I hope some expert will resolve the issue. --Tagooty (talk) 03:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• I understood your analogy; I just don't agree with it. If you have a precise recipe, you can make the product, period. However, a mere photo of an integrated circuit does not answer every question someone might have about how to construct one. A step by step construction manual with precise directions on everything would be analogous to the secret recipe. I'm not saying it's impossible that there could be a copyright issue, but as you say, if so, it would be a different kind of copyright issue. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:40, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• I consider myself to be firmly on the cautious side when it comes to copyright, but I really see no issue here. See also the link provided by Jim below. In any case, while it is fine to raise concerns about copyright at a nomination, this is not the place for in-depth discussions like this. Again, if you, Tagooty, think this is a problem worth discussing in general, please don't hesitate to bring it to COM:VP/C! Because if you are right, that many more images would be affected, and guidelines may need to be adjusted. --El Grafo (talk) 09:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Support --IamMM (talk) 10:04, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose Prominent halos on 3 sides mar the image even at review size. --Tagooty (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support.--Vulp❯❯❯here! 03:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Kreuzschnabel 18:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Ooligan (talk) 21:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support--A1Cafel (talk) 05:51, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Comment Integrated circuit layouts are utilitarian and do not have copyrights in most countries, including the United States. They are protected as "Mask Works" in the US and other countries, but, unlike a copyright, the mask work protection allows photographs and other uses that do not duplicate the function of the original. Therefore this image does not infringe on Motorola's rights and may be kept on Commons. See Integrated circuit layout design protection for a complete discussion. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 09:14, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Jameslwoodward:  Thank you. for clearing up the issue. --Tagooty (talk) 03:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Oppose per Tagooty. --Fischer.H (talk) 09:46, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support WOW! :-O I say it as engineer. Giacomo Alessandroni ^{What's up! asd} 14:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Confirmed results:

Result: 13 support, 3 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /--A.Savin 13:13, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

This image will be added to the FP gallery: Objects#Others

The chosen alternative is: File:071R01.jpg