Category talk:Saintes (Charente-Maritime)
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Rename request
[edit]Discussion to the proposed move Category:Saintes → Category:Saintes (Charente-Maritime)
- @Crouch, Swale: : reason "DAB" is not just talkative :-) Ca 3/4 of Wikipedias (including French Wikipedia) use the name without dissambiguation, as the main meaning. At the en-wikipedia, Saintes is redirected to Saints, but there are not much competing meanings: Category:Saintes (Belgium) (=Sint-Renelde), and Category:Les Saintes (=Îles des Saintes, and the canton as its derivative). fr:Saintes (Belgique) is a village with ca. 3000 inhabitants which has not its own administration. The city of Saintes has ca 26000 inhabitants. Îles des Saintes are not mistakable with the city of Saintes. Even though we should prevent categorization mistakes, is it adequate to add dissambiguation to the category name and as well to at least 10 its subategories? --ŠJů (talk) 01:16, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- @ŠJů: The English Wikipedia disambiguating the title is very good evidence we should do the same, as you pointed out some other WPs do also. It is not surprising FR doesn't disambiguate it as there is probably no confusion with Saints but someone who's English isn't as good could easily add pages to here instead. I'd point out that we have Category:Brighton, even though EN and all but 2 have the English city at the base name. Also Category:Purton even though every WP has the one in Wiltshire at the base name and the others are much less notable. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:51, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Crouch, Swale: On the other hand, we have many and many cites or other subjects which have one or more small namesakes, but the main meaning is unquestionable and needs not disambiguation in brackets or past a coma. Eg. Category:Prague, even though there are many places and subjects which are called "Praha", "Praga" or "Prague". The most frequently mistaked of them is Category:Praga (Warsaw). We need to consider the number and the importance and relevance of the competing meanings and a probability and frequency of mistakes. In case of simple categories, I prefer also to have rather a redundant disambiguation than to cause a misscategorization of images or subcategories. However, if the category have a complex tree of subcategories, such a disambiguation can become too bothering, if we keep a naming consistency through the tree. Anyway, this case is a boundary one - both of the solutions can fall into our consideration. I have not some definite opinion, I appeal only to our temperance and prudence in such changes, and that's why I didn't comply the proposal yet but opened rather this discussion. I don't know how many images of unrelated saints or images of Saintes (Belgium) were missplaced here in the past and were recategorized. If I found here tens of unrelated images and repeatedly, i would not hesitate with renaming. --ŠJů (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Prague is a national capital, none of the other things come close to that, the same cannot be said for Saintes. Crouch, Swale (talk) 06:36, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Why we should have some exception just for national capitals? What is relevant is comparison of importance and frequency of the meanings, as I described above. The second synonymous locality to Saintes is (by population) ca 9-times smaller than this one which is the main meaning. In Google search, this meaning also heavily prevails. If we would consider probability of misspelled "Saints" mistakable with "Saintes", we have no data here to judge it. I found no photo of unrelated saints in the category during last weeks. --ŠJů (talk) 22:39, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- I wasn't meaning it should only be national capitals but that they are often the exception due to being the primary topic over the others. I'll take this to CFD. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:45, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Why we should have some exception just for national capitals? What is relevant is comparison of importance and frequency of the meanings, as I described above. The second synonymous locality to Saintes is (by population) ca 9-times smaller than this one which is the main meaning. In Google search, this meaning also heavily prevails. If we would consider probability of misspelled "Saints" mistakable with "Saintes", we have no data here to judge it. I found no photo of unrelated saints in the category during last weeks. --ŠJů (talk) 22:39, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Prague is a national capital, none of the other things come close to that, the same cannot be said for Saintes. Crouch, Swale (talk) 06:36, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Crouch, Swale: On the other hand, we have many and many cites or other subjects which have one or more small namesakes, but the main meaning is unquestionable and needs not disambiguation in brackets or past a coma. Eg. Category:Prague, even though there are many places and subjects which are called "Praha", "Praga" or "Prague". The most frequently mistaked of them is Category:Praga (Warsaw). We need to consider the number and the importance and relevance of the competing meanings and a probability and frequency of mistakes. In case of simple categories, I prefer also to have rather a redundant disambiguation than to cause a misscategorization of images or subcategories. However, if the category have a complex tree of subcategories, such a disambiguation can become too bothering, if we keep a naming consistency through the tree. Anyway, this case is a boundary one - both of the solutions can fall into our consideration. I have not some definite opinion, I appeal only to our temperance and prudence in such changes, and that's why I didn't comply the proposal yet but opened rather this discussion. I don't know how many images of unrelated saints or images of Saintes (Belgium) were missplaced here in the past and were recategorized. If I found here tens of unrelated images and repeatedly, i would not hesitate with renaming. --ŠJů (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2018 (UTC)