Category talk:Brown horses

It is ridiculous to call ~brown horses bay especially when colour photos are used. People will become even more confused. Cgoodwin (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Genetically, "brown" does not exist separate from bay as every tested "brown" has turned out to have the genes for bay, no matter what the phenotype. There might be a separate "brown factor" gene responsible for the maximum extension of black over the body though. What is called "brown" or "seal brown" in English is called "black bay" in at least Finnish, Swedish, and German, so IMHO calling them anything else than a shade of bay will distract people more, and uphold the weird belief that "brown" is a colour separate from bay genes. Pitke (talk) 09:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

This is an English article and it should be noted if the terms are not in common Eglish usage.Cgoodwin (talk) 21:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Word. It'd be useful to mention about the synonyms in other languages though. Pitke (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, but "brown" should be retained as it is a basic colour term used by the main breed societies of the major horse breeding countries of the world. Cgoodwin (talk) 03:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Then we'll need to eradictate the category "Brown horses" as a collective category for people who think of a brown horse when they see a chestnut or a basic bay. I'll see what I can do about it. Pitke (talk) 08:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

The main breed societes of the major horse breeding countries recognize this colour in their standards. Printed racebooks also use this colour in the descriptions of the horses. One looking for a brown horse would not be taking the bays into consideration!Cgoodwin (talk) 00:57, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

-and as well a person from a non-anglophone country in Europe would be stunned to see them not in bay horses. Maybe we should just call it a draw and have it both ways? Pitke (talk) 09:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)