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Why did you remove Category:Marketing by topic from several categories?

Why did you remove Category:Marketing by topic from several categories? This is a category wherefor overcategorization is allowed, see description. JopkeB (talk) 07:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Who has allowed overcategorization? Such practice is against a main principle rule of Commons, leading to mass confusion. If it is so important for you, then name the category differently from common categories to avoid confusion. --Elkost (talk) 08:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Categories by topic are an exception to this rule. See for instance the outcome of Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/10/Category:Terminology, one of the conclusions was:

• A category by topic is for improving the findability of subcategories, ... Because it is an index category, all contents can be listed at the same level and overcategorization is allowed.

Sadly, not all of the actions resulting of that discussion have yet been implemented (for instance adding hatnotes in the categories), we are still working on it. JopkeB (talk) 10:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@JopkeB. To my regret, I have missed this discussion.

• In fact such list-categories would improve the findability of subcategories only for small lists, but for huge lists will not. Anyway I don't mind these list-categories, but their usage as simple cats is not correct.
• Let's take “C:Marketing by topic” – when categorize its subcat by country we are looking for a “by country” category in the parent category or eventually in next level parent cats. Finally we shall choose “C:Marketing by country”, but soon it will be full of country cats (as should be) and plenty of sub-cats and their sub-cats (although categorized without duplication as per our rules). Thus we get needless double categorization.
• Normally no categorizer would know that these cats have special status and usage (as me earlier).
• An idea: add “HiddenCat” template to such categories to avoid improper categorization. --Elkost (talk) 11:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. Perhaps indeed it might have been a good thing if you could have joined the discussion. Well, you can always start a new discussion if you do not like the outcome.

• “C:Marketing by country” and its subcategories should not be in “C:Marketing by topic” because they are not topic categories. None of the "by"-categories should. Only topic categories should be in “C:Marketing by topic” (for instance about marketing concepts and marketing tools).
• No, you are right, normally no categorizer would know that these cats have special status and usage. We are working on that.
• I'll think about your idea to make these categories Hidden cats.

JopkeB (talk) 14:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

In the mean time:

• Josh has made a template for the subcategories, I added it to them. See for instance in Category:Marketing by topic the line with "Expand for more information about how to use this category". So I hope that categorizers now know what the special status and usage of these categories is.
• We indeed decided that it is best to make these categories Hidden cats, again thanks for this idea. I have implemented it.

JopkeB (talk) 14:03, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Fine! Congratulations for the hidden cats! --Elkost (talk) 14:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Statues_of_Lenin_in_Taraz

Category:Statues_of_Lenin_in_Taraz has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Qualitätssicherung (talk) 15:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

OK. Answered on the discussion page. --Elkost (talk) 15:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Avenues_(streets)

Avenues (streets) has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Answered on the discussion page. --Elkost (talk) 18:51, 9 February 2024 (UTC)